Showing posts with label genetic counselor. Show all posts
Showing posts with label genetic counselor. Show all posts

Saturday, December 16, 2023

12/15/23: I Spoke with My Genetic Counselor

On 11/17/23, I emailed my genetic counselor to check in on the status of my VUSes (variants of uncertain significance). I also wanted to give her an update on my own medical history, including last year's oophorectomy and the genetic testing results of some relatives. The last time I had contact with my genetic counselor was over 2 years ago, so I first checked online to make sure she's still a member of the Cancer Genetics team. I sent a brief message to just confirm that I was emailing the right person.

By 12/4/23, I hadn't gotten a response, so I followed up with another email to the same address. Since the first email had not been returned as undeliverable, I figured the address was still valid. I was polite and tried not to be pushy, since there was no urgency. 

To review, I have 2 VUSes on the BRCA2 and PALB2 genes, both of which are linked to breast cancer and ovarian cancer. Originally, it was important to follow up on these VUSes because if one or the other turned out to be a pathogenic mutation, I'd be at increased risk for ovarian cancer and would want to consider getting my ovaries out. But since I ended up getting my ovaries out for other reasons, the status of the VUSes don't actually matter much for me anymore. Still, if either of the VUSes are ever re-classified as harmful, then that information would certainly be useful for my kids to know, especially my daughter.

Anyway, by 12/14/23, I still hadn't heard back, so I sent a message to the general Cancer Genetics email address. The very next day, my genetic counselor called me! 

She apologized profusely for not responding earlier. She said she did most of the research into my VUSes on the day she received my email, but she also made inquiries and had to wait for responses. Then she just forgot to email me back. Not sure why my first follow-up email also managed to fall through the cracks, but it was yet another good reminder that a patient needs to be their own best advocate. 

Later in the day, I logged into the online patient portal to see the genetic counselor's notes on our conversation, to make sure I didn't miss anything. This post includes information and quotes from both the phone call and her notes.

Back to the phone call. I actually have 4 VUSes total, but the other 2, on CDKN1C and MSH2, aren't on genes related to breast cancer, so mostly I've ignored them. My genetic counselor said the MSH2 gene is linked to a number of cancers, mostly colon cancer, but since it's still classified as a VUS, she's not worried about it. She didn't mention the CDKN1C VUS, and I didn't bother asking.

She explained that there's a clinical database called ClinVar where laboratories report their results. There were 4 laboratories that reported on my PALB2 variant, and all 4 labs continue to classify it as a VUS.

The BRCA2 variant, however, was more complicated. Of the 6 labs that have reported on my BRCA2 variant, 5 still classify it as a VUS. A 6th lab, however, now considers it pathogenic, meaning they think this variant is harmful and could cause cancer. But. "Unfortunately they did not submit any supporting evidence for this interpretation. Given this is a non-US based laboratory which is not CLIA-certified, it is difficult to assign any significance to this interpretation." Basically, there is no documentation on what kind of standards this lab uses, so there's no way to know what level of confidence to place on their report.

Notably, though, this 6th lab is in China. I remembered what my first oncologist said about race in clinical studies, how in the U.S. the vast majority of patients are white, so results may not apply well to me, a Chinese person. I asked the genetic counselor if she thinks the fact that this lab's data represents patients who are almost certainly all Chinese means I should put at least some weight on their results? She conceded that their data set probably includes more Chinese people than all U.S. labs combined, but with no way to assess the legitimacy of the lab's results, she advised going with the majority opinion.

Moreover, she said she reached out to another lab called Myriad Genetics, which has extensive experience with BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes. I don't understand why they weren't included in the list of labs reporting in ClinVar, but she said there's been a few recent publications referencing my specific variant, and still Myriad considers it a VUS, based on their own data studying this variant in 17 families. Essentially, they just haven't seen this variant tracking with an increased risk of cancer.

She also mentioned that my particular type of variant can be hard to understand, as it consists of just a single nucleotide change. If I'm reading my genetic testing results correctly, I think my BRCA2 gene has a "T" where there should be an "A". Apparently, the question that needs to be answered is, given this variation, is the gene still functional?

As for what all this means for me. She said that if the variant was reclassified as pathogenic by a reputable U.S. lab, we'd have a conversation about taking action. I asked her what kind of "action" would be recommended, and at the same time told her about my oophorectomy. I could actually hear the relief in her voice, she clearly considered this good news. Getting my ovaries out would be the most drastic action on the table, and since I already did that, it was basically one less thing to worry about.

We also talked about what a pathogenic BRCA2 mutation would mean for my daughter. She said my daughter would be recommended to start breast cancer screening at age 25, including yearly mammograms and yearly MRIs, offset so that imaging is done every 6 months. I did see a similar recommendation online, but also found a site that recommended starting the imaging at age 30. Whatever the age, it sounds so burdensome to me, I hope she doesn't have to start so young. When she's older, she'll have to decide for herself if she wants to get genetic testing done; if she doesn't have the same mutation, she could be spared some of that early imaging, but if she does have the mutation, it could introduce additional anxiety and fear.

If the variant remains a VUS, my genetic counselor said my daughter would be expected to start breast cancer screening 10 years before the age I was diagnosed. (I was diagnosed at age 43, but I found the lump at age 42.) This is the same recommendation my PCP gave me, though of course my daughter will have to discuss all this with her own healthcare providers when she's older.

Finally, we talked about the genetic testing of my relatives. There is no known cancer on my mother's side, but quite a few cases of cancer on my father's side. I had previously given her the genetic testing results of a paternal cousin who doesn't have cancer, and now gave her the results of 2 other paternal cousins, also without cancer. I'm not really sure how useful the results are, but I found it interesting that we don't have any overlapping VUSes. She said getting the results for my father and my one surviving aunt who had breast cancer would actually be very helpful. Specifically, she said my dad's results "will clarify whether either or both of these variants were paternally inherited... even if he does carry 1 or both of the variant it is not indicative of causation." Regarding my aunt, if she "does not carry either of these variants, that certainly suggest that either or both of these variants may not be the cause of early onset breast cancer in the family." In which case, even if my daughter did inherit the same VUSes, it might be less scary. 

My genetic counselor said she would try to streamline the genetic testing process, so any relative of mine in the area who wants genetic testing just has to have a brief telehealth genetic counseling appointment with her, and she'd ship them a saliva kit, which they can do at home and then mail back the sample.

Phew. That's a lot of information. And a lot of uncertainty.

Monday, July 19, 2021

7/19/21: I Emailed My Genetic Counselor

Today I checked in with my hospital's Cancer Genetics department. I called the same number I used last year to speak with a genetic counselor, and a recorded greeting said the whole department is working remotely. I could leave a message, or else send an email to an address provided. Email sounded great!

In the email I mentioned the name of the genetic counselor I spoke with last year, and the same person emailed me back. It was only afterwards that I remembered that I had already exchanged a couple emails with her last summer, and could have emailed her directly. I'll try to remember that for next year.

Anyway, she said she looked up my VUS-es (one on the BRCA2 gene and another one on PALB2) in all the clinical databases, and they are both still categorized as variants of uncertain significance. So, no new information. It would be a relief if they turned out to be harmless variants, but I guess them being VUS-es is still better than them being cancer-linked mutations for sure.  

Monday, August 3, 2020

8/3/20: The Cardiology Department Called Me

Someone from my hospital's cardiology department called and said my oncologist had put in an order for me to see a cardio-oncologist. This person was so pleasant and friendly, I wish all phone conversations with customer service and administrative assistants could go so well!

Normally, I'd have to go to the main hospital in the city, but I lucked out; the cardio-oncologist sees patients at a local satellite office once a month, and my appointment request came just in time for me to see her on Thursday at a nearby suburban site. It's not the same location as my Cancer Center, but about the same distance away in the opposite direction. 

I haven't heard from my oncologist's office. I'm guessing they won't call, and that the referral to the cardiologist basically serves as the "action taken" in response to my phone call. I do wonder... If I hadn't called them about my echocardiogram results, would they have called me? I have to assume that my oncologist saw the echocardiogram report. Maybe she wasn't worried and wouldn't have said anything, but the mere fact that I expressed concern prompted her to send me to the cardio-oncologist, since it's obviously something I want to address? Or maybe she would have called, but I just happened to call her before she got around to it? Judging from the responses I got to my posts in Facebook support groups, it sounds like seeing a cardiologist is the appropriate course of action, and it makes me think again about how important it is for me to be on top of my own medical care. 

Anyway, I didn't think of it right away, but a couple hours later I remembered to call my PCP's referral line to get a referral to the cardiologist. 

Incidentally, I also called them a couple weeks ago to renew my referral with the genetic counselor. I wasn't sure if I needed one. I don't think the phone call counted as an actual appointment, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to have the referral.

Thursday, July 16, 2020

7/16/20: I Spoke with a Genetic Counselor

I remembered my genetic counselor saying that I should check in with her from time to time to see if there is any new information on my VUS-es. I called her yesterday and left a message. Today someone else called me back. My original genetic counselor had moved away.

She said calling them for an update about once a year is exactly what I should do. They are supposed to notify patients if there is any new information regarding VUS-es, but it's still good for me to call them, to make sure I don't fall through the cracks.

She said she already ran my genetic testing results through the database, and there was no new information to shed any more light on my VUS-es. Oh, well. 

The reason I'm still interested is because if a VUS turned out to be a known mutation linked to breast or ovarian cancer, then I'd likely elect to get my ovaries out. But if it turned out to be a harmless variance, then I would feel better about not getting the surgery. As long as the mutations have "unknown significance," I'm on the fence.

The genetic counselor reminded me again that it's not recommended to make medical decisions based on VUS-es. She explained that really, there is no way to know which way the VUS might go, especially because I'm not white. The genetic database consists mostly of cancer patients in the U.S. who have opted for genetic testing, and most of those people are white, so the database doesn't even have a lot of data on variations in ethnic minorities. 

While I had her on the phone, we updated her record of my family tree with information I learned over the last year. She suggested asking family members to get tested, especially my father and my aunt who is a breast cancer survivor; their testing results would provide a fuller picture of the hereditary genetics. Interestingly, she said they wouldn't even have to go in for a blood test; the hospital can send them saliva kits, and they'd just have to mail back the samples.

Tuesday, July 30, 2019

7/30/19: Letter with Surgery Information + Medical Records + Support

After a completely stress-free vacation, returning home is actually kind of overwhelming. The "glad to be home and can't wait to sleep in my own bed" feeling is fantastic! But then there's laundry and grocery shopping and unpacking and piled-up mail and all the to-do items that have long been mentally shelved under "Things To Do After Vacation".

I was anxious to go through our accumulated mail to look for the letter with surgery details and any testing results that might have been mailed to me.

I did receive the letter with surgery information. It's amazing how having a paper in hand, with details laid out in print, can relieve my anxiety. 

I also received my genetic testing results in the mail. In addition to the 2 variants of unknown significance (VUS) that my genetic counselor already mentioned (in the BRCA2 and PALB2 genes), I have 2 additional VUS among the 83 cancer-related genes that were later tested. (The 2 new variants were found in the CDKN1C and MSH2 genes, each associated with less common syndromes.)

It now being over 2 weeks since I requested online access to my medical records, I gave the Breast Center a call to follow up. One brief phone call, and I got my patient portal login. Again, it's a wonder what resolving open issues does for my anxiety! Now to print out a whole bunch of appointment notes and test results to keep for my own records. (I have a binder.)

Among the many pieces of accumulated mail, there were 2 unexpected items. One was a card, the other was a package which turned out to be a water bottle with straws. Both were from the same person, my friend's friend who is giving me DMX advice and support. As relaxing and stress-free as my vacation was, it was not anxiety-free; my cancer diagnosis is always with me. Cancer-related thoughts and worries come and go every day. I can't express enough how incredibly uplifting it was to come home to two pieces of encouragement. I have heard it said that only people who have been through a certain experience know how best to support someone going through the same thing. The water bottle is for my post-surgery days, when drinking water is supposed to be critical to recovery, and with straws because even the smallest items may feel too heavy to lift at first. And the card is just what I needed to cheer me up during this pre-surgery waiting game.

Tuesday, July 2, 2019

7/2/19: I Checked My Insurance Claims Online

After getting that MRI bill, I wondered why I hadn't been charged for ALL those appointments and tests in May and June...

I logged into my online account for my health insurance. It looks like, since I reached my personal deductible already, my insurance is paying all claims in full.

Usually we get an insurance statement that tells us the full charge, how much the insurance will pay, and how much we should expect to be billed by the provider and/or hospital. But maybe they won't send us a statement if our expected charge is $0?

It does look like we should expect to be billed for some office visit co-pays, which I don't remember being asked to pay on the day of the appointments...

Below I am listing all the new claims so far. Unless otherwise noted, we paid $0. Apparently, this is how much it costs to have breast cancer in America.

(Incidentally, our insurance coverage changed on July 1. Our deductible balance was re-set, and our new plan has a lot of up-front costs before insurance kicks in. So I expect we'll have more to pay starting with the breast surgeon appointment.)

5/13/19: Mammogram & Ultrasound Hospital: $857
5/13/19: Mammogram & Ultrasound Radiologist: $246
5/16/19: NP Appointment: $422 (I owe $20 co-pay.)
6/4/19: MRI Radiologist: $377
6/4/19: NP Appointment: $83 (I owe $20 co-pay.)
6/13/19: Biopsy Hospital: $3,074.54
6/13/19: Biopsy Pathologist: $256
6/13/19: Biopsy Pathologist: $858 (Separate charges for each sample?)
6/13/19: Biopsy Hospital (Pathology Lab?): $2,420
6/17/19: Hospital (Pathology Lab?): $650 (Presumably related to biopsy.)
6/20/19: Mammogram & Ultrasound Hospital: $791
6/20/19: Mammogram & Ultrasound Radiologist: $370
6/20/19: Genetic Counselor Appointment: $212 (I owe $60 co-pay.)
6/20/19: Genetic Testing: $1,500

Sub-total: $12,116.54
With insurance, cost to me: $100

Total cost to date: $17,724.22
With insurance, cost to me: $520

Notably, this current total reflects only my diagnosis. I haven't even received any treatment yet!

Friday, June 28, 2019

6/28/29: The Genetic Counselor Called Me with More Testing Results

I missed her initial call, but she left a message saying she had "more reassuring news".

I think the results for the 83 genes came in already. She said they are "essentially negative". 

She said her team meets to discuss all cases in the second week of July, so I may hear from her again if they have any new thoughts on my results. In the meantime, she will send me the results in the mail.

Thursday, June 27, 2019

6/27/19: The Genetic Counselor Called Me with Testing Results

It's good news.

My testing for the 9 most common genes linked to a significant increase in risk for breast cancer showed no known mutations. This means I do not have a known inherited risk for breast cancer.

However, the testing did show that I have "variants of unknown significance" (VUS). The variants were found in my BRCA2 and PALB2 genes. The genetic counselor said they don't see these kinds of variants often enough in the lab to know if they are linked to cancer or not. They might just be benign mutations that occur in the general population.

Since not enough is known about these variants, they won't affect my surgery plans. That is, my genetic testing results do not provide additional justification for a double mastectomy.

Still... It struck me that the genetic counselor specifically used the word "known". I don't have any known mutations. But maybe my two variants are unknown mutations linked to breast cancer... After going through my family history with the genetic counselor, the prevalence of cancer on one side of my family seems concerning enough that it wouldn't be too hard to believe that there may be something genetic, even if it's not yet known...

Anyway, I did opt to do the further testing for the 83 genes associated with various hereditary cancers. The genetic counselor will call again with those results when they come in.

Friday, June 21, 2019

6/20/19 - 6/21/19: Phone Calls (Insurance Referrals)

It suddenly occurred to me to wonder if I need a referral for my breast surgeon appointment next Friday?

I called the Breast Center to ask. I left a message, and someone called me back first thing the next morning. She said from their office's perspective, I am all set. However, she suggested I call my insurance company, since they may require a referral for their own reasons.

I called my insurance company. They confirmed that yes, I do need a referral from my PCP to the breast surgeon. My existing referral (good for 6 visits in 1 year) to see my NP in the Breast Center uses my NP's "NPI number". I will need a separate referral to see the breast surgeon using the breast surgeon's "NPI number".

I called the Breast Center to request the breast surgeon's NPI number.

I called my PCP's referral line to request the referral (also good for 6 appointments in 1 year).

Then I suddenly wondered if I should have had a referral for yesterday's appointment with the genetic counselor.

I called the genetic counselor's office. I felt sheepish when I realized that I had called her direct line, instead of an administrative line. I figured since I had her on the phone, I could ask one question that had occurred to me: If I test positive for genes related to breast cancer, will the results be able to tell me if the gene came from my mother's side or my father's side? The answer is no.

Anyway, she gave me the NPI number for her supervising doctor (a medical oncologist).

Finally, I called my PCP's referral line again. I explained yesterday's unexpected and urgent appointment, and he was able to put in a referral (presumably back-dated) that would cover yesterday's appointment (again, good for 6 visits in 1 year).

What a lot of hassle. I'm not even 100% sure the genetic counseling referral was needed, but I figure better safe than sorry.

Thursday, June 20, 2019

6/20/19: Phone Call + Genetic Counselor Appointment

While driving home from my morning appointment, someone called and left a message about the genetic testing. I returned the call as soon as I got home.

The genetic counselor who works at the local site is on vacation. I will need to see a counselor at the main hospital in the city.

At first, the only available appointment was on a day that wouldn't work well for me. I asked if there was anything else available, and here's a bit of luck, they had a cancellation! All I had to do was get into the city by 1:00 the same day.

I Google Mapped the directions, and thankfully my husband was able to come with me, and do the driving. The older I get, the more anxious I get about driving in the city.

So we both met with the genetic counselor. She explained the role of genetic counseling in the context of my diagnosis.

For starters, the counselor told us that 1 in 8 women eventually get breast cancer. Of those, only 10% can be linked to a hereditary cause.

Apparently, age 43 is considered young for being diagnosed with breast cancer. This site lists age 62 as the median age of diagnosis for breast cancer for U.S. women. A younger diagnosis makes it more likely that perhaps the breast cancer is related to a gene.

Genetic testing results are a factor in deciding the course of treatment. I'm already supposed to get a mastectomy. But if my genetic testing reveals that I have a gene that is linked to breast cancer, that means it's more likely that I will eventually get breast cancer in my other breast as well. In that case, the surgeon would be more likely to recommend a double mastectomy.

The counselor also said that the surgeon may use a more aggressive technique during surgery if I have genes linked to breast cancer, as it would be more imperative to try to remove all breast tissue.

Some genes are linked to both breast cancer and ovarian cancer. If I have one of those genes, for example, after I complete my breast cancer treatment, I might be asked to consider removing my ovaries as well.

Beyond my own health, genetic testing results could also affect my children. If I have a gene that could be passed on to them, they, too, would benefit from genetic testing, most likely starting in their 20s or 30s. We became emotional at the thought of our children facing cancer themselves, getting their own genetic counseling, some time in their future.

The first step is to do a blood test screening for the 9 most common genes linked to a significant increase in risk for breast cancer. If that comes back positive for any of the genes, the testing would probably stop there. I would move forward with a "genetic team," including a medical oncologist. They would counsel me on how my genetic testing results might affect my ongoing medical care.

If the screening comes back negative for the 9 most common genes, they would probably recommend I do further testing to screen for 23 additional genes that are linked to breast, ovarian, and uterine cancer. Alternatively, I could opt to screen for 83 genes linked to a whole bunch of different cancers.

Finally, she said that genetic testing requires prior authorization from my insurance company. She would handle obtaining the pre-authorization, and at most I might have to pay $250.

She asked me for a thorough medical history of incidences of cancer in my family, which aids in determining the likelihood of me having a hereditary gene linked to cancer. Then I had my blood drawn. The genetic counselor said she would call me in 1-2 weeks with the results.

6/20/19: Mammogram and Ultrasound - Inconclusive + NP Appointment

Today's appointment was scheduled because the MRI showed "something" in the left breast.

I thought they were going to do an ultrasound of my right breast, too, but they didn't. Maybe there's no need to look any further now that it's clear the right breast will be removed anyway.

In the waiting room, I was asked to fill out the standard mammogram paperwork again. This time, my answers included my recent MRI, biopsy, and breast cancer diagnosis. My NP popped in and said I could ask to speak with her at any time during my visit.

First, I got a diagnostic mammogram of my left breast.

Next, the ultrasound of my left breast. When the ultrasound technician left to show the images to the radiologist, the nurse who was at my biopsy came in. She was so comforting, I couldn't help a few tears from slipping out.

The technician and the radiologist returned. The radiologist was the same doctor who performed my biopsy. She said the technician didn't see anything in the ultrasound. She repeated the ultrasound herself to confirm the same.

So, neither the mammogram nor the ultrasound could explain what the MRI showed. The radiologist recommended an MRI-guided biopsy for my left breast, and also genetic testing. Before leaving, she gave me a kind, sympathetic, "I'm sorry you're going through this" kind of look.

At this point, my appointment was technically over, but I asked if I could speak with my NP.

I held it together until my NP walked into the examining room. She handed me some tissues and reassured me my reaction was normal. 

She said she is still in the process of making the appointment with the plastic surgeon.

She will make my appointment for the MRI with biopsy. That appointment would have to take place in the city. These appointments are typically made about 2 weeks in advance.

She will put in a referral for urgent genetic testing. They will call me to set up an appointment. 

She said genetic testing results typically take about a week. Even if the results aren't available in time for next Friday's appointment with the breast surgeon, we should still keep that appointment. 

We will proceed assuming both the biopsy and genetic testing are negative.

If the biopsy comes back as cancer, or if the genetic testing shows I carry genes linked to breast cancer, the surgeon would likely recommend bilateral surgery - a double mastectomy.

The NP said that even if both tests are negative, I should still think about whether or not I want to get both breasts removed. For some women, preserving natural breast tissue is very important. For others, reducing the anxiety of cancer recurrence is more important. If I decide to get a double mastectomy for preventative reasons, she would cancel the MRI biopsy, as the results would be irrelevant if the left breast is going to removed anyway.

I asked if there is any chance of recurrence if both breasts are removed? She said the goal is to remove all the breast tissue, but sometimes it's not possible, so there is a small 1-3% chance of recurrence even after a double mastectomy.

And how would I be screened for cancer, if there are no breasts to image? She said I would have regular clinical visits with her, the NP, and she would perform physical exams to feel for lumps. (I didn't think to ask, but will add to my list: Would breast reconstruction surgery affect the ability to palpably detect new lumps?)

Regarding breast reconstruction surgery, she said I don't need to decide that now. I can always choose to have it done at a later date. It was something of a relief to have one less thing to worry about right now.

To aid her in setting up my appointments, I had previously given her my summer vacation schedule. I told her to disregard them. I don't want to delay treatment.